Comments on: Microsoft not so power-hungry after all http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/ Nothing of interest here, move along please... Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:31:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Darren http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Darren Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:23:18 +0000 http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/#comment-505 On the joint Avenade / Microsoft presentation it states "Overcome scalability limitations of 32-bit platform". I didn't know there were scalability limitations in a 32-bit platform. Well, there aren't with Domino. Exchange? Maybe. On the joint Avenade / Microsoft presentation it states “Overcome scalability limitations of 32-bit platform”. I didn’t know there were scalability limitations in a 32-bit platform. Well, there aren’t with Domino. Exchange? Maybe.

]]> By: Paul Wilson http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-489 Paul Wilson Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:22:40 +0000 http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/#comment-489 "24,000 users’ mail boxes on two clustered System i servers. If they were to move that deployment to Windows servers, I’d say they’d need somewhere between eight and twelve servers" Are you sure the mailbox count would be that low with Exchange 2007? See Staggering stats on http://www.server-management.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=523&Itemid=50 and the two presentations at http://www.5dmail.net/pic/Going64-bitExchangeServer2007PPT.ppt and http://www.microsoft.no/portfolio/pptdownload/Live/Technet/2007/Vista/Exchange%202007%20-%20Erfaring%20fra%20feltet%20-%20Bernt%20Lervik/TechNet%20Live%20Exchange%202007%20-%20Notes%20from%20the%20field.ppt NB No mention is given to the other requirements of an Exchange 2007 infrastructure namely Hub, Client Access and Edge servers (or Unified messaging). In my experience using Exchange 2007 over Domino results in the following issues: Increased traffic on your backbone because EVERYTHING has to go to hub servers and back No inplace upgrade No Active Active clustering 3 flavours of clustering / failover (LCR, SCR, CCR) - recommend a third party piece of software like WANsync or NeverFail to do a better job of DR Service packs must be applied in the correct order (ie edge, hub, CA then mailbox) or you will stuff the system Oh and it screwed up on 29th Feb - system attendant service stopped responding to requests (I was in the middle of a migration and of course I only had SP1 on). “24,000 users’ mail boxes on two clustered System i servers. If they were to move that deployment to Windows servers, I’d say they’d need somewhere between eight and twelve servers”

Are you sure the mailbox count would be that low with Exchange 2007? See Staggering stats on
http://www.server-management.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=523&Itemid=50
and the two presentations at
http://www.5dmail.net/pic/Going64-bitExchangeServer2007PPT.ppt
and
http://www.microsoft.no/portfolio/pptdownload/Live/Technet/2007/Vista/Exchange%202007%20-%20Erfaring%20fra%20feltet%20-%20Bernt%20Lervik/TechNet%20Live%20Exchange%202007%20-%20Notes%20from%20the%20field.ppt

NB No mention is given to the other requirements of an Exchange 2007 infrastructure namely Hub, Client Access and Edge servers (or Unified messaging).

In my experience using Exchange 2007 over Domino results in the following issues:
Increased traffic on your backbone because EVERYTHING has to go to hub servers and back
No inplace upgrade
No Active Active clustering
3 flavours of clustering / failover (LCR, SCR, CCR) – recommend a third party piece of software like WANsync or NeverFail to do a better job of DR
Service packs must be applied in the correct order (ie edge, hub, CA then mailbox) or you will stuff the system
Oh and it screwed up on 29th Feb – system attendant service stopped responding to requests (I was in the middle of a migration and of course I only had SP1 on).

]]> By: Denis Wittebrood http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-468 Denis Wittebrood Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:35:57 +0000 http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/#comment-468 Great article Darren. We are involved with quite some consolidation projects on the Domino side of things, and use the factual cost of ownership measured before and after the consolidation project to proof and validate the efforts done. Savings in those regions (£300,000) are not uncommon. Our benchmark information revealed some nice statistics on power savings as well. As you point out, the real savings are to be found at the idle desktop side of things, not in your server park (if you have a proper architecture and utilization, that is). The other day, we published a fact-sheet with more details and a real customer example, which you might find interesting to read. http://www.trust-factory.com/Site.nsf/ID/Powersaving Great article Darren. We are involved with quite some consolidation projects on the Domino side of things, and use the factual cost of ownership measured before and after the consolidation project to proof and validate the efforts done. Savings in those regions (£300,000) are not uncommon.

Our benchmark information revealed some nice statistics on power savings as well. As you point out, the real savings are to be found at the idle desktop side of things, not in your server park (if you have a proper architecture and utilization, that is). The other day, we published a fact-sheet with more details and a real customer example, which you might find interesting to read.

http://www.trust-factory.com/Site.nsf/ID/Powersaving

]]> By: Matt White http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Matt White Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:27:08 +0000 http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/#comment-467 Excellent article Darren. I do have one problem with Yellow and Green being mixed together being an Ipswich Town fan, but I suspect this won't be a particularly widespread issue ;-) Excellent article Darren. I do have one problem with Yellow and Green being mixed together being an Ipswich Town fan, but I suspect this won’t be a particularly widespread issue ;-)

]]> By: Gavin Bollard http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Gavin Bollard Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:42:25 +0000 http://www.dadams.co.uk/2008/03/10/microsoft-not-so-power-hungry-after-all/#comment-466 Wow, Never thought about it that way. Good points all round. Wow, Never thought about it that way. Good points all round.

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